Hashish, weed, marijuana, pot. It goes by a number of names, however everyone knows what it smells like. As weed turns into extra mainstream, we on the Not Loopy podcast wish to know: Is marijuana actually an efficient therapy for nervousness? Is it only a coping mechanism? Or a vice? In at this time’s podcast, Gabe and Jackie take a look at the analysis and weigh out the proof. In addition they interview Eileen Davidson, a rheumatoid arthritis affected person who often makes use of marijuana as a drugs to see what she has to say.
What’s your take? Tune in for an open-minded dialogue about weed.
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Gabe Howard is an award-winning author and speaker who lives with bipolar dysfunction. He’s the creator of the favored e-book, Psychological Sickness is an Asshole and different Observations, obtainable from Amazon; signed copies are additionally obtainable instantly from Gabe Howard. To study extra, please go to his web site, gabehoward.com.
Jackie Zimmerman has been within the affected person advocacy sport for over a decade and has established herself as an authority on power sickness, patient-centric healthcare, and affected person group constructing. She lives with a number of sclerosis, ulcerative colitis, and melancholy.
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Announcer: You’re listening to Not Loopy, a Psych Central podcast. And listed here are your hosts, Jackie Zimmerman and Gabe Howard.
Gabe: Welcome to this week’s episode of the Not Loopy Podcast. I’d wish to introduce my co-host, Jackie.
Jackie: And that man is my co-host, Gabe.
Gabe: And at this time we’re going to be speaking about. I’m not even positive what to name it. It’s been often called marijuana. It’s been often called hashish. It’s been often called wacky tobaccy, should you return to love my grandparents. I assume pot is the road identify now.
Jackie: You sound like so, Grandpa Gabe, proper now. You’re like, what are the youngsters calling it nowadays?
Gabe: Effectively, simply
Jackie: It’s weed, Gabe. We’re speaking about weed.
Gabe: However I imply, it was grass. It has had a prolific variety of slang names. I imply, sincerely. Proper?
Jackie: Sure, that’s true.
Gabe: And I went to a dispensary the opposite day and I used to be like, hey, I’m right here to purchase pot they usually’re like hashish, sir? And I used to be like, effectively, weed. They usually’re like, marijuana, sir? So I feel that there’s some try and make a demarcation between slang phrases of marijuana and non-slang phrases of marijuana. Is that what you’re seeing out on this planet, Jackie?
Jackie: I feel it depends upon the place you might be acquiring stated marijuana, proper? In case you’re buying it from a retailer, they’re like, sure, we promote marijuana right here. In case you’re going to the nook, you’re in all probability going to purchase some weed. I feel it simply depends upon the place you’re getting it. Similar stuff, totally different identify.
Gabe: And this isn’t uncommon, particularly in America. Language is all the time evolving and totally different generations have totally different phrases for various issues. Keep in mind when sick meant such as you had been sick and funky meant you had been a foul ass? Now sick implies that you’re a foul ass. And should you say cool, youngsters simply take a look at you such as you’re simply, you’re simply silly.
Jackie: Which is like how I’m you proper now, as a result of the extra you discuss simply the older you sound. Low key, you sound like an actual outdated man proper now.
Gabe: I like how you utilize low key, one other slang time period that I’m not acquainted with. However transferring on to the subject at hand, marijuana is all over the place and relying on what Web web site you’re on. Marijuana is both the magical treatment for every part, actually, it doesn’t matter what downside you’ve gotten bodily or mentally, it may possibly completely, unequivocally treatment it. Or marijuana is satanic. In case you even stroll previous it, you’ll homicide your complete household. You gained’t go to varsity and your eyes will inexplicably flip pink. And our analysis, Jackie, after all, confirmed that the reality lies someplace within the center.
Jackie: Because it does with most issues, however what we’re specializing in at this time particularly is using marijuana, weed, pot, grass, reefer, no matter you wish to name it by way of treating nervousness. And I’m actually excited to speak about this as a result of that is one thing that’s like polarizing. Individuals both thinks it’s like the tip all be all, cures nervousness or they’re like, it doesn’t assist in any respect. And it’s best to positively not use it for nervousness.
Gabe: One of many issues that I take into consideration is my Weight loss program Coke behavior, I’m gonna go along with behavior for the sake of at this time’s present. I’ve an nervousness dysfunction. I endure from a whole lot of nervousness. And once I get actually twitchy and out of kinds and I’m simply actually wired, anxious, panic. , the racing ideas begin to are available in once I’m on the verge of an nervousness assault. I cease every part that I’m doing. I discover a fountain machine of Weight loss program Coke, which often includes going someplace, taking a stroll someplace, getting in my automotive. There’s a complete ritual surrounding me getting a Weight loss program Coke. And I can state unequivocally that once I do that ritual and I’m sitting within the nook and I’m consuming my fountain Weight loss program Coke, my nervousness is relieved 100%. This doesn’t make Weight loss program Coke a treatment or a therapy for nervousness. And I feel that that may be a few of what’s taking place with marijuana, as a result of no medical research reveals that it’s a therapy for nervousness. And once more, medical research are ongoing. However as of proper now, there’s nothing that states that nervousness is cured or handled by marijuana.
Jackie: You’re proper. And a part of me needs to be like, no, you’re flawed, it completely helps as a result of I feel it truly does assist lots of people. The issue is, you understand, that I like my stats. The stats don’t present this. I truly pulled up three totally different research particularly on this subject. One research from 2019 is from The Lancet Psychiatry. It seemed on the results of cannabinoids on psychological well being for almost 40 years of analysis, which is like a whole lot of analysis. And their findings mainly stated there was scarce proof to assist that hashish helps to enhance psychological well being signs. Forty years of analysis on this one research saying like meh, in all probability not that useful. However there was one other research in 2018 in Hashish and Cannabinoid Analysis, which is like, how is there even a journal devoted to this? However there may be. Sixty two p.c of people that use CBD use it for a medical situation. And the highest three are ache, nervousness, and melancholy. So my takeaway on that is we don’t have proof within the science that it really works, however we do have proof that individuals are utilizing it for these causes and are discovering profit in it.
Gabe: And in some methods, this can be a powerful one, proper? As a result of I take into consideration the variety of people who inform me that I shouldn’t take prescription drugs for my bipolar dysfunction as a result of in spite of everything, I simply want weight-reduction plan and train, higher sleep hygiene. I simply we’ve accomplished so many reveals on this. It’s simply it makes my little head wish to explode. However I nonetheless return to the definition of therapy and treatment. And the definition of therapy and treatment is just not I really feel higher once I’m accomplished. It truly impacts the illness and places you in a greater place if you’re accomplished. Plenty of issues make you are feeling higher. Jackie hugging my spouse makes me really feel higher. Having a powerful assist system makes me really feel higher. This stuff will not be therapies. They’re inspired. They’re essential. They usually might effectively assist you to. However I simply get actually, actually anxious. I simply get actually, actually anxious when individuals are like, oh, I deal with my nervousness with this as a result of there’s so many causes. However let’s contact base on this for a second. Marijuana on this nation is form of tousled, one depending on the state that you simply stay in, you may truly be committing a criminal offense. That’s primary. However in each state in our union, there’s a number of kinds of marijuana. Proper? There’s the great growers. There’s the growers which might be overseen by the federal government within the states the place it’s authorized. After which there’s the individual that’s identical to randomly rising it. And we don’t know what sort of job they did, what sort of a pressure they did, or whether or not or not they doused it in rat poison. And all of these items are marijuana to the tip person. That worries me as effectively, as a result of there’s no consistency right here.
Jackie: I’ve a whole lot of emotions about that. Sure. Right. No consistency given the truth that our authorities has not legalized it universally, which implies that it can’t be regulated universally. Even whether it is authorized the place you might be, it routinely means it’s dearer. So you should still be going to a road supplier regardless. So the consistency issue is unquestionably a problem. Nonetheless, biking again for a minute, whereas it isn’t confirmed that it’s an efficient therapy, I feel that judging by 62 p.c of customers and everyone else, together with a 2017 research within the Worldwide Journal of Drug Coverage, the place individuals imagine that hashish is an efficient approach to deal with circumstances instead of prescriptions for nervousness and melancholy. What this tells me is by way of signs, administration, it may be or it’s efficient relying on who you discuss to. So is it treating nervousness? I don’t know. I don’t have the science, however is it treating the signs of hysteria? Yeah, it seems to be prefer it does. And are these one in the identical? I don’t assume that they’re. I feel that you could have loads of drugs that deal with the precise underlying downside and many drugs that deal with the signs of the issue.
Gabe: Clearly, I can’t disagree with something that you simply simply stated. Nonetheless, there have been related research on whether or not or not cigarettes assist you to address nervousness. And the fact is that cigarettes have been studied for a protracted, very long time. And the analysis reveals unequivocally that cigarette smoking truly doesn’t assist with nervousness. Nonetheless, after they requested individuals if it helps them, they stated sure. You line up the entire people who smoke and also you say, Hey, does smoking relieve nervousness? They’re all going to say, sure. The science may be very clear that in actual fact it will increase nervousness, however they imagine that it’s useful. That is the issue with self-reporting, proper. Lots of people imagine that issues which might be harmful for them or are actively hurting them are, in actual fact, helpful.
Jackie: I don’t know. I really feel like there’s some side of placebo on this. The place, sure, the stats from the scientists are saying this truly causes nervousness and the people who find themselves utilizing it are saying, no, I really feel higher after doing it. So who’s proper? I don’t assume there’s is definitely a proper and flawed on this, which matches towards every part that I usually say as a result of there are science main a technique. But when the individual says, I really feel higher after this, doesn’t it imply that it’s good for that individual?
Gabe: Doubtlessly, I feel we return to my Weight loss program Coke habit. The truth is, is consuming as a lot Weight loss program Coke as I do could possibly be dangerous. I ought to drink far more water and I ought to go for extra walks and I ought to name my mother extra and I ought to inform my spouse I like her extra. Life is private selections. And relating to the legalization of marijuana, from a political standpoint, I feel it ought to completely be authorized as a result of it’s it’s been discovered to be no extra harmful for you than smoking or alcohol. And in reality, in some circumstances, a lot safer. However transferring that apart, to reply the query of any person affected by nervousness, ought to they use marijuana as a therapy? I’m gonna go along with no. Nonetheless, any person affected by nervousness, ought to they use marijuana as a coping mechanism? That’s a private selection. And Gabe is there. So I form of really feel the one-two punch. It’s best to nonetheless get therapy from the medical institution. However all of us have coping expertise. Look, individuals watch Household Man on repeat to get by means of the day. That’s only a coping mechanism. However please don’t ship me an e-mail and inform me that Household Man is the therapy for melancholy as a result of not.
Jackie: I feel the basis of this entire dialog is we’re simply speaking about vices, proper? Like your vice is Weight loss program Coke. We’re speaking about cigarettes and weed and Household Man. Proper? No matter your vice is. I feel we are able to unequivocally agree that vices assist with stress administration. Proper? That’s why individuals drink, proper? They’re wired or they’re indignant. They wish to erase the emotions that they’re feeling in that second. That’s why we have now vices. That’s what they do for us. However you’re proper, you may’t say that like the great outweighs the unhealthy. And all of these vices proper? You’re consuming a metric shit load of aspartame. Is that good? Most likely not. I don’t know, nevertheless it makes you are feeling higher. So, you understand, are we speaking long-term well being? Are we speaking brief time period? I don’t assume it actually issues. Does marijuana assist with nervousness? Perhaps it might. I don’t know. I feel it’s so private. And I feel that, once more, we simply don’t have sufficient analysis at this level to say by some means, as a result of even the research that we’re quoting proper now, they’re all on the lookout for various things. They’re on the lookout for is it efficient? They’re on the lookout for do individuals assume it’s efficient? Are they utilizing it instead of one thing else? There’s no research that basically has touched on all of the bases that we have now but by way of is it efficient for this? Is it efficient for this along with prescribed medicine? We don’t know. So I assume select your individual journey so long as you’re sensible and wholesome and never a dumb dumb.
Gabe: I actually simply wish to hit laborious on what Jackie stated in regards to the “we don’t know.” There are such a lot of people who simply imagine that it’s the treatment for every part. And there’s so many individuals that imagine that it’s the most horrible factor. It’s only a pox on our nation. These will not be the 2 camps that we needs to be in. We should always proceed the analysis. We should always discover out what is nice and what’s unhealthy. I simply wish to be clear that any sort of self-medicating is harmful.
Jackie: Lots of people use this to self-medicate. Self-medicating, we all know is harmful, particularly if you’re not being sincere along with your well being care group. So that is a kind of issues that, you understand, if it really works for you, that’s nice. However don’t power it on anyone else as a result of we simply don’t have the analysis to again that it’s truly efficient.
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Jackie: And we’re again speaking about utilizing marijuana as a therapy for nervousness.
Gabe: Jackie, we’ve talked in regards to the stats, we’ve talked in regards to the research, we’ve bantered forwards and backwards. Let’s discuss to any person who makes use of marijuana for her nervousness dysfunction and in addition for rheumatoid arthritis. Are you able to give her an introduction? As a result of she was very candid and really superior. It was nice of her to name in.
Jackie: Sure, positive. We invited our pal Eileen, who we all know by means of advocacy, to come back on and discuss why she makes use of marijuana to assist along with her nervousness, but additionally why she makes use of it for her RA. And I feel she’s going to have a whole lot of useful perception on this.
Gabe: And we’re going to roll that interview proper now.
Jackie: We’re right here with our pal Eileen. Gabe and I do know Eileen outdoors in the true world, however we thought she’d be a extremely nice visitor to carry on the present at this time. So welcome, Eileen.
Eileen Davidson: Hello, my identify is Eileen Davidson and I stay in lovely Vancouver, British Columbia, which has been worldwide recognized for longer than it’s been authorized in Canada to have very, superb weed.
Gabe: We’re so tremendous excited to have you ever since you are keen to publicly discuss utilizing marijuana or hashish. Why are you so public about utilizing it? As a result of in lots of locations it’s nonetheless a criminal offense. And even the locations the place it’s authorized, it’s nonetheless very a lot seemed down upon. However you’re like, hey, I smoke weed.
Eileen: Effectively, as a result of I additionally imagine within the medical part of it. I stay with rheumatoid arthritis and psychological well being points. So to me, it’s very medical. And since I don’t actually drink due to my autoimmune illness, it’s additionally a tiny bit leisure and it’s authorized in Canada.
Jackie: Eileen, are there any particular signs that you simply’re utilizing medical marijuana to deal with?
Eileen: Sure. So dwelling with a power sickness comes with a number of several types of signs, in addition to uncomfortable side effects from the drugs used to deal with these ailments. So, significantly with rheumatoid arthritis, I’ve power fatigue, constant power ache in addition to typically nausea. So that’s one more reason why I truly do get pleasure from smoking marijuana as a result of it actually tackles the nausea after which additionally helps with the lack of urge for food that I can expertise. After which it additionally helps with not having the ability to sleep due to ache. And it’s helped with a variety of the drugs that I’ve gone by means of which have precipitated vomiting. And so it’s form of a drug that I don’t use for only one particular factor, however a mess of various issues.
Gabe: I do like that you simply’re so open about it.
Eileen: I wasn’t all the time open about it, although. I was truly very towards marijuana.
Jackie: Ooh, what modified your thoughts?
Eileen: Debilitating prognosis of rheumatoid arthritis. So I’ve been round it so much earlier than as a result of my earliest recollections of it are my father smoking weed whereas doing these artistic, surrealistic work. My dad was form of a hippie and so like my childhood is mainly recollections of the scent of oil paints, marijuana and the sound of Pink Floyd taking part in to those loopy work. So, nevertheless it was unlawful again then. So I felt very conflicted so much as a result of I used to be like, why are you smoking marijuana when that’s purported to be a drug, as they’re telling you at school? And so I didn’t actually perceive. I by no means needed to the touch medicine my entire life. I’ve by no means touched something aside from espresso, marijuana and alcohol, slightly little bit of wine, however being identified with one thing that causes extreme ache and having to undergo drugs which have a whole lot of uncomfortable side effects. At the moment, I used to be like, effectively, that is medicinal to me, so I’ll strive it. And I felt like an fool being towards it earlier than. My prognosis actually opened my eyes to this isn’t actually in the identical line as like heroin or cocaine and issues like that. Although, I by no means tried these. And it was additionally actually serving to individuals. Individuals like me who had been in prognosis of most cancers, M.S., Parkinson’s, all kinds of issues. What I didn’t count on is that it could additionally assist with my psychological well being.
Jackie: And did you uncover that simply form of like happenstance, you had been like, oh, I form of really feel good all over the place proper now? Or was it extra of one thing that you simply truly examined? You had been like. I’m feeling actually anxious. Let’s see if this helps right here.
Eileen: I might say it first began off with me noticing that it did impact my psychological well being. After I first began smoking weed, I didn’t find out about THC, CBD and the way it could form of work together with me. So I might strive one thing, not know what sort of pressure it’s after which form of really feel full-blown nervousness assault. However then I might additionally strive a unique one and really feel tremendous relaxed. And so I found that I needed to form of watch which strains helps with my nervousness and didn’t assist with my nervousness and to form of analysis in order that I could possibly be higher knowledgeable.
Gabe: So my subsequent query is form of considerably of a controversial one, as a result of it sounds such as you’re self-prescribed, like a physician didn’t prescribe this, it’s form of a trial and error in your behalf, is that appropriate?
Eileen: Sure. Now, I do observe pointers of locations just like the Arthritis Society as a result of they’re a wealth of information for individuals like me who’re taken with supplying medical hashish. However when you’ve gotten a hook up, it’s additionally cheaper.
Gabe: As humorous as that’s, although, do you inform all your medical doctors that you simply’re using hashish as a therapy or do you retain that on the down low?
Eileen: I inform them, as a result of I feel it’s essential to be sincere along with your medical doctors about each side in your well being. It’s actually essential to hearken to the affected person voice relating to their wants. And that’s together with their drugs. And marijuana could be a medicine.
Jackie: So let me ask you this along with telling your medical doctors about this. Earlier than you began utilizing weed for nervousness. Have been you prescribed medicine for nervousness and in that case, had been they working?
Eileen: Sure, I’ve tried a few totally different drugs for nervousness. I did discover that they labored. I used to be on them for a variety of years. Medicine you gained’t discover the proper drug in one-go often. It’s a variety of medicine it’s a must to strive. I attempted three or 4 for my nervousness and melancholy. I attempted over 18 for my rheumatoid arthritis. And I don’t know what number of strains of marijuana I’ve tried for every part I’m going by means of. In order that’s what it’s a must to study. And what works for one might not work for the opposite.
Jackie: So do you assume that it really works higher on your nervousness than the prescriptions did?
Eileen: No, I positively don’t assume it really works higher or worse. I feel they work collectively.
Gabe: I actually like what you’re saying there, and I don’t know if I agree or disagree, I’m actually on the fence about a whole lot of these items, which is without doubt one of the causes that we needed to interview any person who is definitely using hashish and marijuana for therapy as a result of we needed to inform the entire story. However one of many issues that I take into consideration so typically are the people who find themselves self-medicating, the people who find themselves affected by bipolar dysfunction, melancholy, nervousness, schizophrenia, psychosis, they usually run out, they meet any person on a road nook or in an alley they usually purchase marijuana they usually’re like, oh, look, I’m treating my psychological well being points. And that sounds so extremely scary to me. And I simply wish to make it possible for none of our listeners are listening to that that works. What are your ideas on that?
Eileen: Don’t ever, ever try this. I’ve seen how that seems. I find out about good people who find themselves in danger for having destructive psychoactive results from marijuana and must be careful for that. Like I stated, if it doesn’t be just right for you, it doesn’t be just right for you, nevertheless it may work for another person. So it’s actually essential to maintain an open thoughts.
Jackie: So I’ve yet another query that’s form of entering into the specifics. There are a boatload of various methods at this level that you could form of eat marijuana on this planet we stay in at this time. And I’m questioning, have you ever experimented with this by way of efficacy for nervousness? Is it higher to smoke it or eat it? Is CBD oil the best way to go? What’s one of the simplest ways to make use of this for nervousness that you simply’ve found for your self?
Eileen: Effectively, relying on what you’re experiencing along with your nervousness, if I simply end one thing and I must loosen up from it, I’ll in all probability smoke a joint. But when I must go someplace the place I may be experiencing nervousness and I don’t wish to be excessive, then I’m going to take some CBD oil. However I do know my triggers now. I don’t have the destructive results that perhaps I had once I first began as a result of I’ve self experimented and in addition I watch how a lot I’m taking and I take usually fairly excellent care of myself total.
Gabe: Eileen, thanks a lot for being right here, the place can people discover you on-line in the event that they wish to study extra about your advocacy since you’re big within the rheumatoid arthritis group?
Eileen: Effectively, thanks. They will discover me on-line. I’m going by Continual Eileen, which I assume has slightly bit to suggest with being a power. But in addition power sickness. In order that’s Continual Eileen, and Eileen is E I L E E N, they usually can discover me at ChronicEileen.com or Instagram or Fb or Twitter.
Gabe: Effectively, we actually admire you being right here. Thanks a lot.
Eileen: No downside. Thanks a lot for having me.
Gabe: I all the time find it irresistible when we have now friends on, Jackie.
Jackie: I do love visitor. Eileen is superior. She is a extremely nice advocate on-line. It’s best to observe her. All the things that she does,
Gabe: Fan woman.
Jackie: She’s a stunning individual.
Gabe: Effectively, Jackie, clearly we picked her for a motive, we all know that she’s an important advocate. What did you consider every part that Eileen needed to say?
Jackie: I felt prefer it was actually nice that Eileen talked about that not solely does she use this, we’ll say off label, non-approved, however she additionally makes use of it along with her medicine. This isn’t a alternative for her medicine. It helps along with her medicine and that she’s very sincere along with her medical doctors about her utilization.
Gabe: I like that she truly used the phrase leisure at one level as a result of I feel that typically, advocates for marijuana, they’re so closely targeted on its medical advantages, which there are medical advantages. There aren’t any permitted for psychological well being causes, however there’s medical advantages permitted for bodily causes, bodily well being causes. There are such a lot of. I like that she was open about the truth that there’s a leisure side. I feel it’s a extra average and practical and cheap standpoint.
Jackie: Yeah, dude, I imply, typically individuals smoke weed for enjoyable and that’s the one motive why they use it. And for these individuals who do use it for medicinal causes, you may’t lie that typically it’s nonetheless a enjoyable pastime recreationally.
Gabe: One of many issues that I wish to discuss is one thing that I simply I hear always and that’s individuals saying, effectively, marijuana can’t probably be unhealthy for you as a result of it’s all pure. I hear this always. All pure, all pure. How can one thing all pure be unhealthy for you? It drives me insane. And the explanation why is as a result of there’s all types of all pure issues which might be very, very, very harmful. Strychnine is all pure. Poison ivy is all pure. I don’t assume anyone listening to our present goes to get buck bare and rub poison ivy throughout their physique. As a result of in spite of everything, it’s all pure. How unhealthy might it’s?
Jackie: , I guess should you informed individuals to rub poison ivy on them and they might reduce weight, they might do it. Which simply goes to point out that, sure, one thing could possibly be pure, however you continue to must be a wise individual and you continue to have to make use of widespread sense when utilizing no matter that pure substance is.
Gabe: The factor is, I agree with you. And this simply reveals the extent of confusion that we have now. I wish to be clear, rubbing poison ivy in your physique won’t make you reduce weight in any respect in any means. Interval. Please don’t ship e-mail to the Not Loopy podcast saying that you simply did it. I hope that you’re paying consideration if you hearken to this half as a result of it’s very, crucial. Unhealthy issues happen in nature, identical to good issues do. The opposite very, crucial half that we wish to remind you of is all the time work along with your physician. All the time.
Jackie: All the time, all the time, all the time. And even should you stay in a state the place that is unlawful proper now, when it feels form of such as you shouldn’t inform your physician about it, you must, as a result of they should know these items with a purpose to give you the suitable therapy. And if there’s part of you that’s anxious about telling your physician, is there part of you that thinks that this methodology of therapy is flawed? I don’t know. Perhaps that’s one thing value determining in your head should you’re hesitant to inform your physician.
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