Podcast: Quarantine and Declining Psychological Well being

Podcast: Quarantine and Declining Mental Health


Day 1,364 of the COVID-19 quarantine (effectively, at the very least it feels prefer it). How are you holding up? Should you’re like most individuals, you’re not having a lot enjoyable. However in case you already battle with nervousness, despair or one other psychological well being difficulty, lately of isolation and uncertainty can really feel like absolute torture. In at this time’s Not Loopy episode, Gabe laments the lack of his routine — these common actions he clung to religiously to maintain his psychological well being in examine.  Now what’s he purported to do?

Tune in for a particular quarantine episode. Collectively, we’ll grieve our outdated routines and talk about find out how to begin new ones.

(Transcript Out there Beneath)


About The Not Loopy Podcast Hosts

Gabe Howard is an award-winning author and speaker who lives with bipolar dysfunction. He’s the writer of the favored e-book, Psychological Sickness is an Asshole and different Observations, obtainable from Amazon; signed copies are additionally obtainable straight from Gabe Howard. To study extra, please go to his web site,





Jackie Zimmerman has been within the affected person advocacy recreation for over a decade and has established herself as an authority on continual sickness, patient-centric healthcare, and affected person neighborhood constructing. She lives with a number of sclerosis, ulcerative colitis, and despair.

You will discover her on-line at, Twitter, Fb, and LinkedIn.



Pc Generated Transcript for “COVID-19- QuarantineEpisode

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Announcer: You’re listening to Not Loopy, a Psych Central podcast. And listed here are your hosts, Jackie Zimmerman and Gabe Howard.

Gabe: Hey, everyone, and welcome to this week’s episode of the Not Loopy podcast. And in addition what represents quarantine, I believe we’re on day 17, perhaps by the point this airs day? Day? They’re all operating collectively. Oh, yeah. That’s my co-host, Jackie. I simply, if anyone cares.

Jackie: That rambling man over there, that’s Gabe. I noticed a meme this week that was, I’m gonna botch it, however like, welcome to March 97th. And I used to be like, yeah, it seems like we’ve been in March for about two years.

Gabe: It’s there, is it? I don’t even have phrases for this. And and I, Gabe however doesn’t have phrases

Jackie: Proper.

Gabe: For this. And we put together. We’re podcasters. We take into consideration this shit so much. Like we do that professionally for a dwelling. And the most effective that I might provide you with is, ah, we’re quarantined, and I don’t prefer it. That’s actually what all of it boils right down to. Like we must always simply finish the present proper now. Thanks, everyone, for listening to the Not Loopy Podcast. We’re quarantined they usually don’t prefer it. Tune in subsequent week when there’s nonetheless quarantine they usually nonetheless don’t prefer it.

Jackie: Yeah. Gabe, how are you? Like,

Gabe: Not effectively.

Jackie: How are you doing?

Gabe: Not good, not good. I wish to be as open and trustworthy as attainable with out, like, scaring my mother. That is probably the most mentally unhealthy I’ve ever been since reaching restoration. That is unchartered territory for me. That is unprecedented. This I don’t even know what to say. And I’m I even I’m like, oh, effectively, Gabe, you’re being very dramatic. However right here’s the factor, my coping expertise are all now unlawful and I say unlawful. And it’s not actually unlawful. I’m not attempting to catastrophize. I really feel like that I ought to put like an enormous asterix up for that.

Jackie: However you might get a tremendous.

Gabe: The whole lot’s closed. They’re not greatest practices. Yeah, however

Jackie: Individuals are getting arrested

Gabe: I don’t need

Jackie: For violating these orders in Michigan.

Gabe: All proper. It’s unlawful, each coping talent that Gabe Howard has to handle bipolar and nervousness dysfunction at the moment are in opposition to the legislation.

Jackie: Like what?

Gabe: Like leaving the home, like going and sitting and other people watching, like distracting myself by working in public. By with the ability to depart the home. I’m not an introvert in any method. Like in zero method. I as soon as took that check. The Myers Briggs, I believe, and the one that administered it stated, wow, you’re the one person who’s ever gotten like an ideal rating on extroversion. It’s not a, I’m not attempting to. It’s simply it’s simply who I’m as an individual. I simply I actually like folks, and I like them a lot, I would like them in areas that perhaps different folks don’t. Like, once more, I’m now having bother formulating phrases as a result of I’ve talked to the identical folks a lot.

Jackie: Yeah.

Gabe: They’re now aggravated with me they usually love me. I don’t imply this in a imply method. They’re similar to, you already instructed us that story. I’m like, I do know. I like to inform each story 50 instances. And which means I would like 50 completely different folks. I’m the man who randomly talks to folks in public. I’m. I simply am.

Jackie: So I’ve ideas and I’ve concepts and I’ve emotions and I don’t know the place to begin. So I’m going to begin with emotions first. Initially, I’m unhappy that you just’re feeling that method. I imply, there’s no different eloquent method, prefer it bums me out. That you simply’re having a very laborious time. That’s laborious to listen to. Onerous to observe. Onerous to hearken to all of that. Identical samesies. Proper?

Gabe: I might use a hug. However as soon as once more, unlawful.

Jackie: Additionally, I’m not a hugger, so there’s that,

Gabe: You hug me.

Jackie: I’m an introvert. I hate everyone, however even I’m struggling and I’m struggling in the way in which that the place lots of people are like, let’s meet up on Zoom and have a examine in and join in. Like, let’s do let’s attempt to be social even once we can’t be bodily social. And I’m avoiding all of that stuff. And a part of that’s as a result of each dialog that I’ve now could be speaking about this. It’s reliving it. It’s diving into it. It’s speaking about how a lot it sucks, how how dangerous it’s and the way scary it’s. And I simply don’t wish to hold doing that as a result of it’s making it actually laborious. So I discover myself sort of isolating much more than regular as a result of like each dialog I’ve for my enterprise, it’s all the time like, hey, are you hanging in there? How’s all the things going over there? Each dialog I’ve with a good friend is like, oh, my God, are you okay? Are you continue to working or are you continue to wholesome? Like, are you want all of those horrible conversations that I really feel like I’m having 24-fucking-7. So I’m simply attempting to not speak to folks, which isn’t good. Not good. I do know it’s not good. It’s like isolation upon isolation. So

Gabe: It’s

Jackie: That’s what I’m

Gabe: All

Jackie: Doing.

Gabe: Anyone desires to speak about. And.

Jackie: It’s all anyone can speak about. I imply, what else is there to speak about?

Gabe: So that truly that that’s. Huh? Huh? It by no means occurred to me that the rationale that individuals have been caught on this topic is since you’re proper. There’s nothing else to speak about. Folks aren’t hanging out with their mates and households. So there’s no family and friends gossip and/or drama.

Jackie: There’s no sports activities.

Gabe: They’re not going to work. So we are able to’t complain about work. These of us who’re going to work, they’re scared or pissed off or. Or.

Jackie: All of us assume we’re like someday away from shedding our jobs. Just about.

Gabe: We do. We do. There’s no sports activities to speak about. I imply, it’s fascinating. However the one factor that actually took America’s public consciousness off of the coronavirus for a couple of days was that Tiger King documentary

Jackie: Proper.

Gabe: On Netflix. However I can sort of see why. As a result of we would have liked one thing huge, new, completely different and naturally, nationwide. It wanted to be nationwide. There’s no public curiosity tales anymore as a result of the one factor that’s taking place on the earth is said to COVID-19 and the coronavirus.

Jackie: Keep in mind once I was like, I’m so uninterested in listening to in regards to the election? I want we might cease listening to in regards to the election. What election? Are we even nonetheless having an election? Is it getting postponed? Like, who’s? Is he simply gonna be our president till we die now? As a result of we’re by no means having one other election? Like, I simply, I don’t know. I really feel

Gabe: The primaries in Ohio have been cancelled. I shouldn’t say cancelled. I apologize

Jackie: Postponed, proper?

Gabe: The primaries in Ohio, the place I stay, have been postponed. However that is unprecedented. Our election

Jackie: Yeah.

Gabe: Was postponed. And naturally, everyone desires to speak about that. And I sort of have a no-politics rule. There are only a few folks on the earth, only a few, like I can rely them on one hand, that I’ll talk about politics or faith with as a result of it’s so divisive. Proper? I don’t. I’ve a lot in frequent with people who why do I wish to sit down and talk about one thing that we disagree with and it all the time devolves into hatred and anger. So I don’t even have that like, like, yeah, I received. Jackie.

Jackie: So.

Gabe: I simply don’t have anything. I’ve nothing. My enterprise is decimated. My my spouse can’t assist me as a result of she’s scared, and, by the way in which, the breadwinner now, I simply , all these people who have been like, effectively, Gabe lives off his spouse. Nicely, congratulations. You all received to be proper ultimately. You all received to be proper.

Jackie: Ultimately of a pandemic, , like, I don’t know, Gabe, I wish to, like, construct you up and be like, no, that’s not true and also you’re superb and also you pull your weight. And I imply, none of that issues proper now as a result of like

Gabe: You’re proper.

Jackie: Like, none of it issues.

Gabe: Take heed to what you simply stated. None of it issues. And pay attention, I agree with you. Like, if we reverse roles, in case you turned Gabe and I turned Jackie, I’d simply be like, actually? That’s what you’re fucking frightened about?

Jackie: No, no, no.

Gabe: I sort of need you to say that to me. Actually? That’s what you’re fucking frightened about? What folks consider you? Actually 200,000 persons are gonna die. And that’s your concern? That folks assume that your loving spouse, who loves you, who has a job proper now that’s secure when you’re protected. Oh, my God. Public notion is Gabe’s primary concern throughout a pandemic. However fuck you. It’s.

Jackie: Okay. Nicely,

Gabe: I don’t know why. I can’t assist it.

Jackie: Good tirade, however that was truly not what I meant.

Gabe: Nicely, it ought to have been.

Jackie: What I meant was like, I can construct you up. Like I might sit right here for the following hour and inform you how nice you’re and the way efficient you’re and the way such as you actually are a partnership with Kendall and all. However like what I say to you isn’t gonna matter proper now. I’m not saying your emotions about this don’t matter, however I’m saying like I’ve one. I’ve no proof to again it up any extra. I can’t be like, have a look at all of the speeches you’ve gotten deliberate. I can’t

Gabe: Proper.

Jackie: Try this. Proper? I can’t be like.

Gabe: They’re gone.

Jackie: That’s not true. Have a look at all this different proof that we might usually should assist that. I don’t have it. So why I’m saying it doesn’t matter, as a result of it will simply mainly be blowing smoke at this level. And as an alternative of being like, Gabe, cease it. Don’t really feel that method. I’d a lot fairly say like I really feel you and I’m sorry that you just really feel that method, however your emotions are legitimate. And like, fuck everyone else. Proper? I nonetheless wish to give slightly little bit of fuck everyone else. Since you have been doing it. You have been, proper? Like an unprecedented

Gabe: Yeah.

Jackie: World pandemic. It’s fairly laborious to be like. Yeah. However till this one factor till this one factor, everyone was doing numerous shit. Like all of us have been doing numerous issues. I by no means even fathomed the concept of my enterprise failing within the subsequent 12 months, as a result of I used to be slaying it, I used to be doing superb. And now I’m like, I may not have a enterprise in three months in any respect.

Gabe: However keep in mind what I stated to start with the place my coping expertise are simply they’re all decimated proper now? One in every of my coping expertise, Jackie, is, effectively, I’m a failure. OK. Gabe, why are you a failure? Nicely, as a result of no person hires me to talk. OK, Gabe, let’s pull up your calendar. Oh, look, this individual has employed you to talk. This individual has employed you to talk. This individual has employed you to talk. Nicely, however I don’t do a great job at them and they might by no means rent me once more. OK, Gabe, grasp on. We now have evaluations at these conferences they usually ship them to you. Right here’s your evaluations. 9 out of ten. 9 out of ten. 9 out of ten. Oh, look, this individual says you speak an excessive amount of. Okay. Simply no matter. That is how the method of coping with, , extreme nervousness and racing ideas and paranoia work. However let’s deal with that final one. Paranoia. I stay in fixed worry that the world goes to finish. And I assumed largely that I meant Gabe’s world. I now have this trigger to assume, oh, shit. , I don’t speak about politics for a myriad of causes. And will

Jackie: Gabe?

Gabe: I’ve? Is that this the fault of the pandemic response being defunded? Is that this or is that this nothing like is it simply that is simply life? I simply. And that’s the opposite factor. The information. No matter you believed earlier than the pandemic began, simply activate the information, and there’s a information station that may validate your perception. So it makes it much more tough to self-soothe as a result of it’s laborious to know who’s proper. I imply, keep in mind a month in the past when this was all a hoax? And now we’re all quarantined in our fucking homes.

Jackie: Nicely, to begin with, fuck ought to. Cease shoulding throughout your self. OK? No extra ought to I’ve carried out this? Ought to I’ve carried out that? As a result of none of it’s one thing you’ll be able to change. Interested by it gained’t make you are feeling any higher and the end result will nonetheless be the identical. So all the time fuck ought to. By no means say ought to. Stop shoulding on your self.

Gabe: I like that, by the way in which, that that could be my new factor. Gabe, what’s unsuitable? I ought to have on myself. I ought to have’d everywhere.

Jackie: I’ve some concepts and these are off the cuff, so they could be horrible concepts, however listed here are issues that I believe perhaps might assist. Once more, perhaps they’re dangerous. I don’t know. However to begin with, you want folks watching. You possibly can nonetheless do this in parks or you’ll be able to go for drives. Adam and I’m going for drives. We’ve gone for drives for years. He likes to go for drives. What about going for drives?

Gabe: So I don’t wish to be like the individual that like each all the things that you just give me, I’m going to love crap throughout and say, no, that’s not what

Jackie: Nicely,

Gabe: I would like as a result of these are glorious concepts.

Jackie: Crap throughout it. If you have to.

Gabe: Nicely, I wish to be very clear that these are glorious concepts. However keep in mind, there’s a purpose that I didn’t decide going for drives once I had all of the choices. So the most effective that I can do shouldn’t be the most effective, which implies I’m not going to get the most effective outcomes.

Jackie: Proper.

Gabe: Proper.

Jackie: However you may get some outcomes.

Gabe: Sure, I’m doing the issues to get some outcomes. I nonetheless like. OK. Earlier than the world went poof, right here’s my routine within the morning. I’d set an alarm as a result of sleep hygiene is essential and I’d stand up on the identical time on daily basis. I’d then feed the canine, dress, let the canine out, after which I’d go to a quick meals eating places and I’d order Food plan Coke and I’d sit there for a few hours and drink my free refills of Food plan Coke and use my telephone or my laptop computer to do like fundamental work. , reply emails, examine the stats of the podcast, , ship verifications for like all of the stuff that you are able to do, like at a quick meals restaurant interspersed with random conversations from the opposite regulars and the workers and on and on and on. Then after that, for a pair hours, I’d be like, OK, effectively, now I must get like deep down and file a podcast. So then I’d go house, OK? That was earlier than the pandemic, proper? Following alongside to date? OK, so now after the pandemic, what I do is I stand up on the identical time on daily basis. I dress, I deal with the canine. I do all of the stuff. I get in my automobile and I drive to the identical quick meals restaurant, which after all, is simply drive through.

Gabe: And I’m going by way of the drive through and I order a number of drinks in order that I can convey all of them house. So I’m nonetheless getting up on the identical time, doing the identical house routine and nonetheless going to the identical the identical quick meals restaurant and getting my Food plan Coke. I simply now drive it house. However earlier than earlier than once I got here house, I went straight as much as my house workplace, used my huge multi-screen pc, the entire 9 yards. Now I sit at my kitchen desk with my gadget and my Food plan Coke, which type of sort of seems like I’m in public. It’s not. I’m not in public. There’s no folks to observe, et cetera. However I haven’t moved into my workplace but. So that’s the greatest that I can. That’s the greatest I can get proper now, as a result of clearly I can’t sit in public, however I nonetheless must dress to exit and get the Food plan Coke. I nonetheless must stand up on the identical time on daily basis. And I don’t transfer to my house workplace and nonetheless I do all that stuff. And that’s purported to, I don’t know, like approximate sitting in a quick meals restaurant.

Jackie: Okay.

Gabe: So so yeah, it’s second greatest

Jackie: For positive.

Gabe: Or third greatest. There’s no folks.

Jackie: However I’m going to say this,

Gabe: The place are the folks?

Jackie: I’m going to say this, and I believe that it’s in all probability not going to be useful. However you’re attempting to copy the routine that you just had. Proper?

Gabe: Yeah, I’m attempting to copy the factor that has labored for years.

Jackie: Proper. So what if realizing that that may’t occur, we work on a brand new routine, that’s one thing you are able to do on daily basis. So the hassle of a routine remains to be there, however the consequence could be completely different, like the end result, which means such as you’re not going to reply emails. You’re not going to do that. Like, I don’t have a routine. I hate routines. I’m actually a nightmare. I get up each time after which like, don’t do. It’s dangerous. However I’ve considered now that I’ve like I don’t even have that rather more time. However similar to I’ve completely different alternatives now, like, will we get up at 7:30 and take a stroll each morning? We are saying we’re going to we don’t. Nicely, let’s simply say that we did. That will be one thing new and completely different. Proper? A part of the routine, and I do know that your routine has been strategically designed that can assist you handle bipolar and all the things else in your life that you just cling to your routine for. So what if we simply make a distinct routine? Like what if it’s a drive? What in case you host Fb lives to attach with folks as an alternative of, like having telephone calls? I do know you’re doing interviews like some zoom interviews, I noticed the one together with your sister. However like, what if the routine is completely different and the end result shouldn’t be Gabe is tremendous productive? And he’s getting jobs and he’s doing all these items? What if the routine is Gabe is simply present and he’s nonetheless doing it effectively?

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Jackie: And we’re again speaking about how all the things sucks, however we’re hanging in there.

Gabe: First off, thanks for giving me credit score that I forgot about. You’re proper, I’m doing a shit ton on Zoom. We’re doing stuff on Psych Central each Friday proper now at 1 o’clock. Please tune in. One o’clock on Psych Central’s Fb web page. It’s It is best to completely examine that out. It’s actually cool. It’s a panel dialogue. Clearly, Jackie and I are all the time on The Mighty. The second and fourth Tuesdays, proper? It’s Tuesday? Second and fourth Tuesdays?

Jackie: I don’t even know what day it’s now. However.

Gabe: Yeah, we kick ass. And so that you’re proper. I’ve been making nice movies by way of a grant with the Nationwide Alliance on Psychological Sickness – Tennessee. You might be proper. I’m attempting to make lemons out of lemonade. However here’s what the pandemic jogs my memory of. You ever been caught within the airport, Jackie?

Jackie: Yeah, truly.

Gabe: And I believe many people have and here’s what occurs just about to me on a regular basis. So I’m going to depart it at midday. Proper? Going to depart at midday. And there’s a delay. All proper. And so they say, effectively, we’re going to we’re going to delay by a half an hour. All proper. That’s 12:30. So I hold my ass in my spot. After which at 12:30, they’re like, eh, we’re gonna depart by 1:00. And earlier than it, you permit at 4:00. So that you had 4 hours the place you probably did nothing. And whenever you get house, you say to your spouse, hey, earlier than I eat dinner, I’ve to get this work carried out. And he or she instantly fires again at yo, you sat in an airport for 4 fucking hours. Why didn’t you get it carried out? Oh, my God, you’re already late. Why didn’t you get it carried out? And the reply is since you didn’t know you had 4 hours. The whole lot was in half an hour chunks. And the factor that you just needed to do takes an entire hour to get carried out. Constructing routines is a multi-week course of when this complete factor began. I didn’t assume that I had many weeks, , partial shutdowns, work at home, colleges closed. , social distancing, , huge occasions have been going to be canceled. This has all occurred, if we keep in mind. And it’s laborious to recollect. , first, we’re not going to collect in teams of greater than 100. OK. Nicely, sure, this may decimate my enterprise after which I can not communicate anymore. However my each day goes to look the identical. , perhaps I’ll have an extended wait once I exit to dinner as a result of they’re solely seating 100 as an alternative of their regular hundred and fifty. However then it simply slowly clamped down. Now malls are closed. Whoever thought the mall would shut? I keep in mind the final blizzard, and the mall was nonetheless open.

Jackie: I don’t understand how any malls are nonetheless in enterprise. So.

Gabe: Nicely, that’s an entire nother can of worms.

Jackie: Okay. However I’m going to

Gabe: However perhaps.

Jackie: Let me however you.

Gabe: Possibly if I’d have began this three weeks in the past, I’d have odds.

Jackie: Okay. However.

Gabe: However I didn’t know I wanted to begin this three weeks in the past. No person did.

Jackie: Gabe, however , now, proper? We now realize it’s gonna be all of April. The phrases have come down. This complete Easter bullshit deadline is over, we’re saying all of April. OK, so now you’ve gotten 4 weeks in entrance of you that, , is gonna be the identical.

Gabe: That is useful. Sincerely. Now that we all know that it’s all of April, that is useful. This offers me extra time. And the truth that it might stend out previous April. Stend out? Is stend out a phrase?

Jackie: No, undoubtedly not.

Gabe: The truth that did, the truth that it might prolong out previous April. You might be proper. And the climate is warming up. And my spouse and I try to take extra walks and pay attention, I’m gonna survive. Jackie, we’re gonna survive. We’re all gonna survive. All people listening to this, we’re gonna make it. Nevertheless it bothers me to my core how we’re simply not specializing in psychological well being as a result of we’re all fearful of our bodily well being. And I’m listening to issues from folks like, wow, Gabe, , your psychological well being isn’t that necessary contemplating we’re in a pandemic. That is indicative of a bigger drawback that we now have in America the place we separate psychological and bodily well being. Proper now, we’re all terrified about our bodily well being. So due to this fact, that’s all we’re concentrating on and fuck folks with psychological sickness. Nicely, in truth, we sort of really feel that method already. However that’s one other present completely. I simply assume that we must be concentrating on the whole thing of an individual. Simply since you’re bodily wholesome doesn’t imply that you just’re dwelling your greatest life. In case you are mentally unhealthy, we wish to repair that. We wish to be like an entire individual. That is the issue with these in two completely different silos.

Gabe: I believe we must always simply deal with well being. In case you are mentally secure however you’ll be able to’t stroll, that’s not a great commerce. Let’s repair the not-walking factor. Let’s determine methods round this. We don’t ignore them. Wow, you’re now not suicidal. So it’s OK that your legs broke? No. We wish to cease you from being suicidal. We wish to repair your nervousness, bipolar, despair, OCD, no matter. And we wish to get you a solid in your legs that may heal as effectively. I simply really feel like we already weren’t listening to psychological sickness on this nation. We already weren’t listening to it. And now we’re actually not listening to it. I’ve article after article of individuals exhibiting up in emergency rooms, suicidal for psychological well being causes and simply being despatched away as a result of in spite of everything, it’s all in regards to the pandemic now. That is horrific. That is horrific. As a psychological well being advocate. I simply wish to climb in a gap and die. I don’t I don’t even understand how I’m going to a psychological well being advocate my method out of this.

Jackie: The whole lot you’re saying is tremendous legitimate. 100 p.c. I’m gonna however you, although. However that is the expertise of each disabled individual in America till the historical past of time. Incapacity and continual sickness.

Gabe: Yeah, and now it’s worse.

Jackie: Who’re chronically remoted, who’ve poor psychological well being and no person has given a shit, the entire world is lastly sort of beginning to see this. And I’m not saying what you’re saying is unsuitable, however there’s a sure a part of me that’s like, OK, now think about if this was your life on a regular basis, although.

Gabe: Yeah, yeah, I get it. I get it. I believe all of our listeners get it. We’ve all been shit on as a result of we now have psychological sickness. We’ve all been stigmatized and discriminated in opposition to. I simply really feel prefer it’s even worse now. And this isn’t gonna be a well-liked assertion among the many effectively on this nation. However they don’t hearken to our present. So I really feel like I’m gonna get away with it. No person gave a shit about anxious folks aside from anxious folks. Till now, instantly everyone’s panic, worries, stress and nervousness is like, oh, no, oh, no, everyone’s anxious. We should calm them down and assist them ultimately. Nicely, what about all of the folks with nervousness? Three months in the past, did you wish to calm them down? No. They have been faux and dramatic bullshit.

Jackie: I’m not defending anyone, but it surely’s straightforward to see the trigger and the impact, an outright pandemic, scary nervousness for the world, who capabilities with excessive nervousness the way in which that we do. It’s laborious to see the trigger. You possibly can’t see it as a result of more often than not there isn’t a trigger. Spoiler proper. It’s similar to a factor that we expect is a factor and it turns right into a factor. This isn’t an invisible factor. That is one thing we’re all experiencing. I don’t know. I imply we ended the final present on this about like not feeling tremendous hopeful that it’s going to alter something. I nonetheless really feel that method. I don’t assume everyone’s going to return out of this and be like, what? Nervousness is actual. We should always actually take this shit severely. Nope. That’s not going to occur as soon as everyone stops being anxious. They’re gonna return to their regular lives. Proper? I don’t assume that we now have like a transparent plan of action right here. It’s not like do X and X will occur. And I believe actually, perhaps that is additionally unpopular. Specializing in the truth that no person is treating or serving to or supporting folks with psychological sickness proper now shouldn’t be going that can assist you, Gabe. I do know you’re a psychological well being advocate, however proper now that is about Gabe’s well-being. And perhaps which means like not specializing in them.

Gabe: It’s laborious to not deal with it

Jackie: I do know.

Gabe: As a result of it’s all the entire world. I don’t actually have a distraction. Once more, I’m going to return to how we opened the present. I can’t go to a film. I can’t exit to dinner with mates. I can’t go on a visit. I can’t go away for the weekend. I can’t. I can’t. I had my granddaughter over a weekend in the past as a result of her mother and father wanted assist and reduction and meals and and simply assist babysitting and cash. And folks gave me shit. I used to be similar to I had a few hours of regular the place we ate pizza and performed playing cards. And for a few hours I forgot. After which as quickly because it was over, folks have been like, effectively, why the fuck do you do this? I don’t, I don’t have phrases for this. I simply I don’t even have phrases. I really feel like I get attacked it doesn’t matter what I do. And naturally, I felt that method beforehand. So this doesn’t assist. We now have a coverage that we’re now going to throw out the window right here on Not Loopy the place we all the time attempt to finish on a optimistic.

Gabe: There’s not a optimistic. I can’t provide you with one. There isn’t one, Jackie. I agree with all the things that you just’re saying. And pay attention, please hearken to this present like 5 or 6 instances, Jackie is killing it. She’s received nice recommendation. We will’t change the previous. Don’t ought to your self. Change your routines. That is all glorious. That’s probably the most optimistic that I can get. I’m telling you that people who find themselves mentally wholesome are struggling laborious with their psychological well being proper now, which signifies that these of us who’re in the most effective of instances battling our psychological well being are even worse. Please, God, attain out. Don’t let a pandemic wipe us out, as a result of I do really feel that that is going to finish. I do really feel that we now have shit to do. However for proper now, simply fucking cry in a nook. I’m severe. I actually, that’s in all probability been probably the most useful factor that I’ve carried out this complete fucking time is simply cry in a nook. I can’t. It’s all I received. Cry in a nook. Cry in a nook. That’s that’s that’s my recommendation.

Jackie: I imply, you’ll be able to cry in a nook. It’s OK, I provide you with permission if you’d like permission. I don’t know in case you do or not, however , no matter cry in a nook I’m with you that I , I’ve instructed you, I don’t assume we must always all the time finish the present on a optimistic word. However I really feel the necessity simply to drop slightly just a bit nugget of positivity in there of all the things is shit. It’s going to be shit for some time sooner or later. Positivity is coming. However you should use this time to work on discovering different coping mechanisms to complement till you may get again to your different ones. And which may imply considering very outdoors of the field. It would imply perhaps you’ve discovered to color, Gabe. Possibly all that bullshit that persons are saying, , all these like on-line courses. Possibly it’s cooking, perhaps it’s portray, perhaps it’s journaling. Possibly it’s grow to be a vlogger. Proper? Like, I’m not saying like put together so the following time this occurs, you’ve gotten higher coping expertise as a result of, once more. However what else do you’ve gotten occurring? Proper? You possibly can attempt different issues and perhaps you discover one thing you want doing. Possibly it’s meditation. Possibly it’s taking lengthy walks. Possibly it’s, I don’t know, listening to podcasts, perhaps it’s a myriad of different issues. And this goes out to anyone listening to, like, don’t be afraid to attempt one thing that perhaps sounded actually silly every week in the past. As a result of what do you bought to lose? What do you must lose at this level?

Gabe: More true phrases, Jackie, have by no means been spoken. As a way to compromise, Jackie and I are going to say one optimistic factor about our lives proper now in order that we are able to nonetheless finish the present on a optimistic word. Jackie, do you wish to go first or would you like me to go first?

Jackie: I’ll go first. I really can consider no higher individual to be quarantined with aside from my husband. He’s superb.

Gabe: Jerk. Now, if I don’t say that, I can consider no higher individual to be quarantined with than my spouse. I assumed that was assumed. So that’s not my optimistic

Jackie: Nicely.

Gabe: As a result of that’s simply my baseline. On a regular basis I , my, mine is about my spouse, too, however not so gushy, mushy. My spouse is 10 years youthful than me and for your complete time we’ve been married, I’ve been attempting to get her to observe motion pictures from my childhood. I used to be like, watch this film, watch this film. In fact, we by no means have time as a result of we’re busy. We’re caught. So I’m lastly getting her to observe like Clerks and Kevin Smith and all of the Kevin Smith motion pictures that have been actually huge once I was in highschool. So, after all, that will have made her like 8. So not acceptable. Nevertheless it’s been very nice to share my adolescence together with her in a method that we simply didn’t have time for earlier than as a result of there are simply so many motion pictures that we like collectively. Why drive someone to observe a film that they’ve simply zero curiosity in? Nevertheless it’s been fairly cool. She lastly has met Jay and Silent Bob.

Jackie: Wow.

Gabe: She likes them. Do you want Jay and Silent Bob?

Jackie: They’re not my favourite, however I like Kevin Smith, like I like Chasing Amy and I like Clerks, and, , I just like the franchise.

Gabe: She’s by no means seen Chasing Amy, Clerks, and many others. So Chasing Amy, I believe is up subsequent on the gonna watch record. I can’t wait to see what she thinks of it. Jackie, thanks for hanging out with me and giving me some semblance of regular as a result of doing the podcast with you, that is that is regular. So thanks. Thanks for being you.

Jackie: Nicely, , all I could be is me, however I don’t know. This dialog is necessary and I believe it’s necessary to have it. And I believe that different folks really feel the identical method. And yeah, I hate this phrase that I’m about to say, however like, grasp in there. Simply hold doing no matter you’ll be able to as a result of we don’t know what’s subsequent. We will’t plan for shit proper now. So simply take it daily. Dangle in there. Make on daily basis completely different if that feels good or don’t. No matter feels good on a regular basis, do this.

Gabe: Yeah, give your self a break. I agree. Pay attention up, everyone, please, please, please deal with your self. However since you’re quarantined and you’ve got a ton of free time, now could be the time to depart a overview for the Not Loopy podcast. You could possibly write a e-book of phrases as a result of what are you going to do? Go to your reservation, film, or sporting occasion? Your caught. Share us on social media. Use your phrases and inform folks why they need to pay attention. E mail one another. No matter you do, don’t write it down on a sheet of paper and collect in a big group as a result of that’s nonetheless not okay. We’ll see everyone subsequent week.

Jackie: Dangle in there, everybody, deal with yourselves. Have an excellent week. I don’t know.

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